Let Us Reason - A Christian/muslim Dialogue

Al Fadi, Mel and Jay Smith continue their discussion about the original site of Al Masjid Al Haram.  They conclude that it was originally in Jerusalem and later another building was built in what we know as Mecca in Hijaz of Saudi Arabia today.  One reason they point out is Mecca of today was not around until the 8th century.  For more details on this subject you can go to Cirainternational u-tube channel and look for  "Where was the real Masjid Al Haram"? dated on 6/17/21.    See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Mel and Al are discussing if the original site of Al Masjed AL Haram  was in Mecca of today or was it in Jerusalem. They say that Mecca did not exist in the 8th century. They also say that the Jews had three feast that they referred to as Haj to the Temple Mount. Mount Moriah is the site of the Temple Mount where Abraham was going to offer his son as a sacrifice. They think that the word Marwa is taken from the word Moriah.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al and Joel discuss the Islamic end times, in particular the person of the antichrist which Muslim call Al-Dajjal.  Joel wrote a book called: "The Islamic Antichrist".  Who is this person in the eyes of Muslims?  He is the great deceiver, he is blind in one eye, he has the word kafir written on his forehead just to name a few.  They also think that he can deceive any Muslim and the way to protect themselves against him is to memorize a certain chapter of the Quran and were a special necklace. Some modern day Muslim teachers say that he will be followed by; Zionist Jews, Trinitarian Christian, and women and that is how they will recognize him.  It is sad to see how Muslims have been taught to think that the antichrist is the Christian coming Messiah. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

According to Islam Djinn (Ginn) ;also known as genies are not human, but spirits that have a free will to believe or not. Muslims are afraid of them and a lot of them have violent encounter with them.  The Quran mentions Djinn in Sura 72, It says that they are different than angels.  Christians believe that they are demons and we have the power to pray and set people free from that.  Missionaries do that in Middle Eastern countries.  The Gospel has the power to set people free. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi talks about the different improvements that happened in the past months from remodeling the studio, having amazing guest speakers, the King's church online in Arabic, the Q&A show by Al Fadi, another show on textual criticism of the Quranic manuscripts, and publishing the new Arabic videos on a new Facebook page called" Nahj Al sabeel', نهج السبيل. He also mentions two more Facebook pages: one is cirainternational.com in Arabic قناة السيرة الدولية and his personal FB; Alfadi.cira. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi talks with Brother Mel who tries to decide if the story of Mohammad is historical or fictional by comparing it with the fictional story of "The Lord of the Rings".  Using twelve points of comparison from the call to adventure, the supreme ordeal,...., and finally the road back or the heroes return.  Mel concludes that Mohammad's story is fictional.  Listen to learn the details of the story. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Jay Smith asks Al Fadi ;who is a native of Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, about what Muslims believe about Jeddah and what historians today believe.  Muslims believe that Jeddah existed around 400 BC while historians discovered that it did not exist before the eighth century as a port to serve Mecca.  They also discuss what Muslims do in Mecca, the black stone, its significance, why people try to touch and kiss it, and how all this are idolatry.  Jay and Al are doing a series on Jay's channel (PfanderFilms) to debunk the myth of the black stone. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi and Jay Smith are challenging the Islamic traditional view which says that Mecca is where Islam started, Medina is where Mohammad migrated, and that the Quran was revealed during his time in both Mecca and Medina.  Also that the Quran was collected as a book  after the death of Mohammad by Abu Bakr and later by Othman in 652-654 AD.  Jay and Al ask the following questions:  Who is Mohammad? Did he really exist? And what do we know about Mecca? By doing so the are doing a historical critique of Islam.   See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi and David continue their discussion about Ramadan and how it is feasting rather than fasting ; how it is not good for health, and that the purpose is to feel good about self and to be noticed by others; the opposite of what Jesus taught in Matthew 6.  They also mention that violence in the name of Allah increases during the month of Ramadan. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi and David Wood point out how the month of Ramadan is a month of feasting more than a month of fasting.  Muslims don't eat and drink during the daylight hours and feast at night, and they use more food during the month of Ramadan than any other month of the year.  They also like to be praised for fasting which is the opposite of what Jesus said to do when someone fasts in Matthew 6.    See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi and David Wood point out how the month of Ramadan is a month of feasting more than a month of fasting.  Muslims don't eat and drink during the daylight hours and feast at night, and they use more food during the month of Ramadan than any other month of the year.  They also like to be praised for fasting which is the opposite of what Jesus said to do when someone fasts in Matthew 6.    See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi and Anthony Rogers continue their discussion to give more examples to prove Jesus' divinity in the gospel of Mark.   In Mark 6: 45-52, Jesus saw the disciples out on the lake which shows His divine character of omniscience; all knowing, and the wind was against them, he came walking on the water and stopped the wind; which showed his omnipotence; all powerful. In the old testament only God can walk on the water.  He also told them fear not; which echoes God telling His people in Isaiah 43:1 not to fear.  Jesus said also;  it is I; which in Greek means ego EIMI ;The I Am of Exodus.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Muslims claim that the gospel of Mark doesn't speak of the divinity of Christ.  Al Fadi and Anthony Rogers are discussing the points that will refute that claim and prove the divinity of Christ.  Mark reference Isaiah 40:3 and Malachi 3:1 at the beginning of his gospel(1:1-3), as a fulfilment of these prophecies.  They also site Isaiah 42:1, as an example of how God the Father echoes this passage in Mark 1:11 . Listen to learn more details and examples. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi and his guests continue to discuss the month of fasting; Ramadan.  They talk about how did they explained to westerners why were they fasting.  How they liked to brag of doing it for God, and made sure everyone knew that they were fasting.  They explain how Mohammad took traditions from pagan Arabs and Jews on fasting . They say the ultimate reason for fasting was the forgiveness of sins not getting closer to God. They ask these questions of Muslims: Why are you fasting? And who asked you to fast?  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi talks about Ramadan with two x-Muslims; Daughter of Christ and Nasser Qahtani.  They share their memories of food and family.  Daughter of Christ share the struggles of having to work and not eating or drinking all day, while Nasser remembers switching eating and drinking at night and sleeping during the day in Saudi Arabia which was more accommodating for Ramadan.  They contrast that with what Jesus said about fasting of not showing off that you are fasting. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi and David Wood discuss the three challenges that Islam raises against Christianity, Muslim who are seeking the truth, and for the world.  They highlight the biblical response to each challenge.  1. Islam contradicts the core beliefs of Christianity; Jesus's is not the Son of God, He did not die on the cross, and others.  2. Muslims who believe in Jesus had to give up their families.  3. They also believe in the violent subjugation of the world.  Al and David also discuss the psychology of Mohammad which made him who he was and consequently affected the way he treated women.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

David wood and Al Fadi  discuss the treatment of women in Muslim majority countries in light of International Women Day.  David talks about two different studies by two different organizations who studied the status of women in many countries and found out that Muslim majority countries rank the worse.  From physical violence to the percentage of women who are married and divorced by the age of sixteen.  They also point out that Mecca is the sexual assault capital of the world, and most of that happens during the Hajj pilgrimage. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al and Mel continue their conversation to say that the founders of the Ta'i tribe were Persians not Arabs, and that the Arabs were the soldiers.  The word Qurashi; which Muslims believe was Mohammad's tribe is a Persian name.  They discuss Chinese historical sources which talk about a king with a black stone; who Mel thinks is Elias ibn Qabisah (Mohammad).  A proof of the strong Persian leadership also comes from the three kalifs named Yazeed I ,II, III,(first ,second and third), which undermine the Islamic tradition.  They also briefly discuss when  alcohol was banned in Islam.   See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi talks to Mel from sneakers Corner about who Mohammad really was.  1. Mel believes that the story of Mohammad has been fabricated and been built up over a number of decades.  He also believes that the story is loosely based on a character called; Elias Ibn Qabisah Al- Ta'i ; the leader of the Ta'i tribe.  2. The geography of Islam is all wrong and it does not start in Hijaz, Saudi Arabia.  Early seventh century sources points to Iraq(NE of the Arabian Peninsula).  Listen to learn more fascinating details. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi and David Wood discuss why is Paul under attack by the Muslims.  They say that Muslims are looking for someone to blame for Mohammad  getting so many things wrong about God and the Bible. When Muslims attack the council of Nicaea you should know that they are making things up. When we get to our time; Muslims start noticing that the teaching of Paul does not line up with the teaching of Islam.  We can trace all the doctrines of Christianity back to the first century.  We know that Paul is more reliable than Mohammad because: 1. Paul is smarter than Mohammad; Paul knew the old testament ,Paul also went up to Jerusalem and compared his revelations with those who knew Jesus.  Mohammad did not compare his revelations with Jews and Christians.  2. Mohammad justified his immorality by introducing more revelations. While Paul  knew he was wrong when he persecuted Christians and repented. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.