The Trialogues Podcast



Welcome to The Trialogues Podcast with your hosts Mary Tibbitts, and me, Julia Jackson. In this podcast we talk about issues around mental health and we hope to offer you insights into the mental health world, not only for those who are suffering themselves, but also for families, friends, service providers, and the community as a whole.


  • Ep. 19 The Trialogues Podcast: Mutual Recovery

    15/07/2015 Duración: 06min

    In this episode Mary and I talk through ‘mutual recovery’ and mention ‘islands of clarity’. Mutual recovery is the idea that there is a dialogue between people on one side of the spectrum of mental health with those on the other, but really we are all working on ourselves in a variety of ways. So the dialogue is really between two people working on themselves. We also challenge the idea that clinicians are “sane” and clients “ill” by talking through ways in which any one of us might be triggered. Mental illness is part of the human experience and part of our innate abilities is to understand people’s suffering because we have the capacity within ourselves to suffer and struggle. In our next episode we are going to talk about some of the experiences that Mary had with clients at Windhorse and what she has learned, so make sure to subscribe. To find out more visit: Or email us at:  

  • Ep. 18 The Trialogues Podcast: Challenges are Embedded in Life

    13/07/2015 Duración: 13min

    Continuing our conversation around identity, diagnosis, and setting precedent, our clinical director Phoebe and I talk about how people should have the right to self-identify. We discuss the reality of challenges being more embedded in life than a mental health diagnosis would suggest. And Phoebe talks about how our Windhorse model allows us to more richly connect and resonate with the challenges and struggles that family members face on a daily or weekly basis. This leads us to a more in-depth talk about the Windhorse program. To find out more visit: Or email us at:    

  • Ep. 17 The Trialogues Podcast: Within Identity, Is a Mental Health Diagnosis Helpful?

    10/07/2015 Duración: 09min

    This episode is a continuation of episode 16 with our clinical director Phoebe. I begin by asking, in thinking about removing rigid structures around identity, when is a mental health diagnosis helpful? We again think about setting precedent both in the legal sense and in the mental health world, and come to think about how this impacts both the clients being served and the service providers who are trying to care for their clients. To find out more visit: Or email us at:  

  • Ep. 16 The Trialogues Podcast: Changing your Opinion

    08/07/2015 Duración: 07min

    In this episode I sit down with our clinical director Phoebe, and we start the conversation thinking about two articles that she read recently. One about supreme court rulings and the other about the passing of time - both of which lead us through an interesting discussion of what it means to change your opinion and not have such rigid structures around identity. To find out more visit: Or email us at:  

  • Ep. 15 The Trialogues Podcast : Recovery as a Journey of the Heart Part 2

    22/06/2015 Duración: 10min

    If you haven’t listened to Episode 14 called ‘Recovery as a Journey of the Heart’ definitely go back because Mary and I continue the conversation on this episode. We get into talking about how Windhorse clinicians work with conflict, hopelessness, and negativity and Mary brings in her own story of working with depression as a learning experience. To find out more visit: Or email us at:  

  • Ep. 14 The Trialogues Podcast: Recovery as a Journey of the Heart

    19/06/2015 Duración: 10min

      In thinking about working with conflict, hopelessness, and negativity Mary talks about an article by Patricia Deegan called “Recovery as a Journey of the heart.” Her article supports the dignity of those in recovery, the importance of regarding the journey as human, and the importance of connection to people. It’s an article that Mary gives to parents here at Windhorse and will be linked in the show notes. In the article Patricia talks about her journey through conflict, hopelessness, and despair and how all are a form of intelligence and learning. We end the episode with Mary going over the key points and takeaways for the article.  More about Patricia Deegan: “Recovery as a Journey of the Heart” To find out more visit: Or email us at:  

  • Ep 13 The Trialogues Podcast: The Impulse to Fix a Situation

    17/06/2015 Duración: 06min

    In this episode we talk about our impulse to fix a situation when a loved one is in a state of depression, anxiety, psychosis, or other extreme mind states. We want to make right what feels wrong. But often just listening, or finding a way to connect with a sensory activity - going for a swim, taking a walk, watching a movie together, can lead to a grounding that supports you and the person in an extreme mind state in a way that trying to fix a situation can not. To find out more visit: Or email us at:  

  • Ep. 12 The Trialogues Podcast: Staying Connected through Psychosis Part 2

    15/06/2015 Duración: 10min

    This episode is a part 2 of staying connection through psychosis. Mary starts the conversation talking about being aware of things outside of our consciousness that may be affecting safety in a dialogue. We go on to talk about another important factor in staying connected through psychosis or extreme mind-states, being willing to give up our love affair with our own reality because isolation and loneliness are among the most painful human experiences. To give up our love affair with our reality and stay connected is important in supporting health and healing. Mary goes on to give some great examples as to how to give up the love affair with our reality to offer connection. Links from the podcast: Empathy vs. sympathy video: Brené Brown on Empathy Martin Buber - “I and Thou: Practicing Living Dialogue” book: To find out more visit: Or email us at:    

  • Ep. 11 The Trialogues Podcast: Staying Connected through Psychosis

    12/06/2015 Duración: 08min

    Mary addresses the difficult topic of staying connected or in communication with a loved one who is experiencing psychosis or extreme mind states. This is a question that we hear a lot from friends and family members who want to be there for their loved one, but find it troubling or scary to be in the presence of psychosis. Mary shares ways practical ways of staying connected and going against our natural instincts to see threats and paying attention to safety. To find out more visit: Or email us at:  

  • Ep. 10 The Trialogues Podcast: Creating Safe Spaces

    10/06/2015 Duración: 07min

    In this episode we continue our conversation on Open Dialogue and I begin by asking Mary how you create safe spaces for people to take a risk. We also talk about staying in communication with someone who is psychotic or in an extreme state, and working with the safety element for yourself as well as others. To find out more visit: Or email us at:  

  • Ep. 9 The Trialogues Podcast: Open Dialogue

    08/06/2015 Duración: 09min

      I start this episode by asking Mary how Open Dialogue influences her work at Windhorse. Mary tells us about her back-story with Open Dialogue and the people who have influenced her and played a role in the movement. Links to websites about those influential people and their work are available in the show notes and on our facebook page: (all one word). With that, let’s get into the podcast!  To find out more on Open Dialogue: Lynn Hoffman Mary Olsen - Jaakko Seikkula - To find out more about Windhorse visit: Or email us at:        

  • Ep. 8 The Trialogues Podcast: Curiosity and Open Dialogue

    05/06/2015 Duración: 06min

    This is the last episode in our first 8 part series. Each of the last 8 episodes are taken from an hour long conversation between me and Mary. If you would like to hear the full hour, you can visit the Family page on our website. We will continue the podcast by going more in-depth on a variety of topics that influence the work that we do, and we also invite you to send any questions you would like us to answer to: subject: Podcast. All of our links will be accessible on the family page.   To wrap up our first 8 part series, Mary and I talk about just wanting to help people (and what help means), the importance of listening and curiosity, and end with our final thoughts on our start at podcasting. To find out more visit: Or email us at:  

  • Ep. 7 The Trialogues Podcast: History of Sanity

    03/06/2015 Duración: 07min

      Today we continue the to talk about not allowing negative emotions to define you. This intro brings us back to talking about taking a pause in conversations with friends and family.   Mary starts to talk about, what at Windhorse we call, a history of sanity, which comes from remembering that we are not only facing challenges, but we also have amazing strengths and unique brilliance that can shine even in challenging moments. And we end today’s episode talking about Being verses Doing. To find out more visit:   Or email us at:  

  • Ep. 6 The Trialogues Podcast: A Pause Button

    29/05/2015 Duración: 08min

    We start where we left off in episode 5 talking about the body mind connection, and then going into having a “pause” button in difficult dialogues. Mary asks the question of whether or not a pause button changes the conversation and we end with moving through emotions without the emotion defining who you are. To find out more visit: Or email us at:  

  • Ep. 5 The Trialogues Podcast: Questions for Support Systems

    27/05/2015 Duración: 07min

    In our fifth episode, we start our conversation with questions that families could ask of their support systems that they may not know to ask. This leads us to talking about family and group dialogues, and what we can do to stay present in the conversation.  To find out more visit: Or email us at:  

  • Ep 4. The Trialogues Podcast: Relationships with Families

    22/05/2015 Duración: 08min

    In our fourth episode I ask Mary about starting relationships with families new to Windhorse. We also talk about the process of changing expectations for loved ones as well as yourself on the path through a difficult time.  To find out more visit:   Email us at:

  • Ep 2. The Trialogues Podcast: Mary's Path to Windhorse

    18/05/2015 Duración: 07min

    In our second episode, we talk about Mary’s path to Windhorse Integrative Mental Health, her interest on the wisdom that comes from within, her studies in Naropa and a Buddhist retreat center, and how all of these experiences taught her about community and the effects of an uplifted environment on the mind.  To find out more visit: Email us at:  

  • Ep 3. The Trialogues Podcast: Failure & Compassion

    18/05/2015 Duración: 11min

    In our third episode we talk about failure, learning from your failures, the process of recovery and the role of compassion.  To find out more visit:  Email us at:

  • Ep 1. The Trialogues Podcast: Podcasts and Recovery Foundations

    18/05/2015 Duración: 08min

    In our first episode, we talk about the interactive elements of a podcast vs. a webinar and how it starts/builds relationships and dialogues (our core values). We discuss the healing that can happen in the connection through relationships, self-worth as a foundation for healthy choices, mental health existing on a continuum. To find out more visit: Or email us at: