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"The guy who wrote wifi software with SSID never imagined that someone could use that SSID to transmit data by writing two smaller applications to leverage it. We are constantly going to be in this [type of] battle. Ultimately we've got to find a way to stay ahead of it by understanding the mechanisms by which we're writing the abuse case possibilities." -- Shannon Lietz Following their session at DevOps Enterprise Summit 2018, I sat down and talked with Shannon Lietz and James Wickett to talk about who the real adversaries are when it comes to application security, what you can do to expose those adversaries and steps to get started in your own, internal adversary program. About Shannon Lietz DevSecOps Leader for Intuit Shannon Lietz is an award winning innovator with over two decades of experience pursuing advanced security defenses and next generation security solutions. Ms. Lietz is currently the DevSecOps Leader for Intuit where she is responsible for setting and driving the company’s DevSecOps and c