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"If you look inside a large enterprise IT organization, they have this very bizarre and broken layer that's completely separating the way that business thinks in terms of products, budgets and costs, and the way IT people know the way they need to innovate, which is delivering products faster." -- Mik Kersten I sat down with Mik Kersten, CEO of TaskTop, and John Willis after Mik's presentation at DOES2018. His new book, Projects to Products, is an attempt to help the industry move from using success metrics more appropriate for the industrial age, to a new type of measurement where value is measured as part of the overall business goal through Value Stream Mapping. About Mik Kersten Dr. Mik Kersten is the CEO of Tasktop Technologies, creator and leader of the Eclipse Mylyn open source project and inventor of the task-focused interface. As a research scientist at Xerox PARC, Mik implemented the first aspect-oriented programming tools for AspectJ. He created Mylyn and the task-focused interface during his Ph