Winners And Losers Podcast

"What's so valuable about human attention?" I ask Ron Placone, comedian, filmmaker, political commentator, horizontal sleeper and lover of cats and cat love. We talk about the challenges of an artistic career in a world run by inhuman monsters, swap atheism origin stories, eco-socialism vs barbarism and have an honest manly discussion about our feelings and love for cats while I try to bully Ron into adopting mine. Full Episode 194 on YouTube: Follow & Support Ron! Podcast: Support links here: