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Juliet talks to Owen Hatherley (author of 'Militant Modernism', 'A Guide to the New Ruins of Great Britain', 'Landscapes of Communism' and many other books) and David Stubbs (formerly of Melody Maker, and a writer on '1996 and the End of History' as well as Krautrock and electronic music) about the life and work of Mark E. Smith, who sadly died last month. They discuss The Fall in the context of post-industrial Manchester, the post-punk scene, a changing (and ever less intelligent) music press, modernist literature and pop culture, and think about the group's legacy. WORKS REFERENCED LoneLady - Hinterland (2015) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W6w8fQauwg Julie Campbell on Mark E. Smith - http://lonelady.co.uk/blog/rip-mark-e-smith-5th-march-1957-24th-january-2018/ The Fall discography: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fall_discography Mark E. Smith reads the football scores - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBUiPs1PxKo 'I feel like Alan Minter' graffiti - https://rollerderbyonfilm.blogspot.co.uk/2012/