A.r.t. Artists Real Talk

It's impossible to describe Phil America's work, and that fact is very important to him. Our host Jacob Patterson and Phil are from the same working man's town in NorCal, and they relate on many topics. Because of that, this podcast gets deeper than any we've done so far. Discussing what it means to be an American and an artist at the same time is what we are all doing nowadays, but it's something over which Phil has been obsessing for years. And that obsession expresses itself in many ways, oftentimes illegally.    0:00 - Intro       6:02 - What do you do?       6:19 - Not being exclusively stuck in a box       6:50 - Are you still a graffiti artist? When did you start?       7:32 - What were the first trashiest tags you were putting together? Did you use pens or spray cans?       9:02 - Was this the first art you did period?       9:14 - Art VS. Vandalism       12:02 - Phil explains what his favorite type of art is       14:02 - Social media echo chamber        14:42 - Do you consider yourself on the other