Out Of The Shadows

Gemma and Shane are joined by Stephanie Fowler, whose book "Chasing Alice" delves into the harrowing account of her high school teacher, Alice, a beacon of hope and refuge in Stephanie's troubled youth. Stephanie's intimate conversation with the hosts reveals the transformative impact Alice had on her life and the heartrending story of Alice's murder at the hands of her husband.Stephanie recounts the sense of safety and understanding Alice provided, which stood in stark contrast to the turbulence of her home life. The discussion pivots to the devastating loss of Alice, a tragedy that reverberated through Stephanie's life and propelled her to pen "Chasing Alice." Her book serves as a poignant tribute and a source of empowerment, aiming to enlighten others about the warning signs and dangers of toxic relationships.As they navigate Stephanie's emotional journey, the conversation uncovers the stark realities of domestic violence and the scars it leaves behind. Stephanie's n

In a heartfelt and introspective episode of Foul Play: Crime Series, "Keeping On with Gemma," the spotlight shines on Gemma Hoskins, whose quest for truth has transcended the role of a former student to become that of an author and tenacious investigator. Gemma shares a poignant chapter from her newly published book, "Keeping On," inviting listeners into the intimate spaces of her memories, motivations, and the ongoing journey to resolve the mystery of Sister Cathy Cesnik's murder.Gemma's reading offers a glimpse into the soul of her book and the very essence of her relentless pursuit. "Keeping On" is not just a recount of the facts as they unfolded but a narrative steeped in personal growth and unwavering determination. Listeners are treated to Gemma's candid reflection on the profound influence Sister Cathy had on her life—from the halls of Archbishop Keough High School to the global stage set by the Emmy-nominated Netflix series, "The Keepers."The episode travers

This episode dives deeper into the murky waters of truth and falsehood as Shane and Gemma reconvene with Mike, a behavior detection specialist with a wealth of federal experience. This follow-up episode continues the exploration of lies and deception, scrutinizing interviews and interactions featured in 'The Keepers' to unearth signs of duplicity that might otherwise go unnoticed.Mike lends his refined expertise to break down specific segments of the documentary series, applying his understanding of behavioral cues to assess the honesty of the individuals involved. His analysis focuses on microexpressions, speech patterns, and body language that may suggest underlying stress or fear, providing a window into the psyche of those speaking. These indicators are invaluable, as they often reveal more than the words being spoken.The trio meticulously examines the footage, discussing the nonverbal signals that betray inner turmoil or potential deceit. They go beyond surface-level judgments, instead offering a

Shane and Gemma facilitate a round table featuring key figures from the Netflix documentary 'The Keepers.' This assembly of minds opens a multi-faceted dialogue on the enigmatic and ominous figure of Dr. Joseph Maskell, his tenure as a teacher at Loyola, and the dark shroud of allegations that link him to the CIA's infamous MKUltra project.The guests share their intimate recollections of Maskell, piecing together a mosaic of memories that paint a disturbing picture of manipulation and power abuse. With each anecdote and shared experience, they build upon the understanding of Maskell's character and the potential depth of his misdeeds. An analytical dissection of an interview with Edgar, a suspected associate in the case, brings to light behavioral subtleties that may hint at deeper involvement or knowledge of the events that led to Sister Cathy's untimely demise.As they navigate through the complex interplay of past events, the discussion also turns to the peculiarities of the apartment co

The final episode of "The Maps," hosts Shane and Wendy reflect on the harrowing journey of this season. They revisit the known victims of the Speed Freak Killers and the unsolved cases potentially linked to Wesley Shermantine and Loren Herzog, underscoring the agony of the unknown that haunts countless families.This episode delves into the unimaginable pain of living in a constant state of uncertainty and grief. Shane and Wendy invite listeners to empathize with those who endure the endless wait for answers about their missing loved ones. Through interviews with family members, psychologists, and support groups, they explore the emotional and psychological toll of not knowing what happened to a parent, sibling, child, or friend.The hosts also discuss the broader impact of the Speed Freak Killers on communities and the ongoing efforts to solve the remaining mysteries. They highlight the importance of continued investigation, public awareness, and community support in bringing closure to these unsolved

Episode nineteen of "The Maps," takes a deep dive into a poignant legal battle that unfolded in 2014. Hosts Shane and Wendy explore the lawsuit filed by Miss Shelley and her daughters against San Joaquin County, Sheriff Steve Moore in his official capacity, and Steve Moore individually, centered on the mishandling of Jo Ann Hobson's remains. This episode delves into the heart-wrenching details of the case. The hosts outline the circumstances leading up to the lawsuit, focusing on the allegations of negligence and the resulting emotional distress faced by Jo Ann Hobson's family. The narrative examines how the handling of her remains by the authorities added to the family's agony, leading them to seek legal recourse.Shane and Wendy discuss the broader implications of this lawsuit, including its impact on the practices of law enforcement agencies in handling remains in criminal cases. The episode features insights from legal experts, interviews with the Hobson family and their legal represent

The eighteenth episode of "The Maps," delves into a critical yet contentious chapter in the Speed Freak Killers case. Hosts Shane and Wendy focus on Leonard Padilla's efforts to extract more information from Wesley Shermantine by attempting to bring him out of prison to pinpoint other burial sites. This episode features an exclusive insight from Rob Dick, a seasoned bounty hunter, who recounts the unfolding events.The episode begins with a detailed account of the dig at the well site, a location marked by Shermantine’s maps that had already yielded grim discoveries. Shane and Wendy discuss the rationale and the urgency behind Padilla's strategy to use Shermantine's firsthand knowledge for identifying additional sites.Listeners will hear directly from Rob Dick as he explains the complexities and controversies surrounding the idea of taking a convicted serial killer out of prison to assist in an investigation. He shares the logistical, legal, and ethical challenges that arose, and the reacti

The seventeenth episode of "The Maps," the narrative takes a hopeful yet complex turn. Hosts Shane and Wendy delve into the efforts to follow the leads provided by Wesley Shermantine's maps, which have proven to be startlingly accurate. This episode explores the ongoing mission to locate other missing individuals marked on these maps, aiming to bring closure to more families haunted by uncertainty.Shane and Wendy examine the renewed search operations spurred by Shermantine's detailed maps. They discuss the logistics, the challenges, and the collaborative efforts involved in these searches, including the use of advanced technology and the mobilization of various law enforcement agencies.The episode critically assesses the assumption that finding the remaining victims would be a straightforward task with Shermantine's cooperation and his maps. The hosts explore the realities of such an undertaking – the complexities of terrain, the passage of time affecting the sites, and the emotional toll

The sixteenth episode of "The Maps," expands the chilling narrative of the Speed Freak Killers, Wesley Shermantine and Loren Herzog, beyond their known hunting ground in Linden, California. Hosts Shane and Wendy explore the disturbing possibility that their killing spree extended to other states visited during their numerous hunting trips.This episode focuses on the stories of two women believed to be victims of the Speed Freak Killers, adding a new dimension to the already horrifying scope of Shermantine and Herzog's crimes. The hosts piece together the evidence, witness accounts, and patterns that link these women to the notorious duo, painting a broader picture of their reign of terror.Listeners will be taken on a journey through the painstaking process of connecting disparate cases across state lines, revealing the challenges and complexities of such an expansive investigation. Shane and Wendy discuss the implications of these potential out-of-state crimes, both for the ongoing investigation a

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The fifteenth episode of "The Maps," delves into the troubling undercurrents of law enforcement practices in the area affected by the Speed Freak Killers. Hosts Shane and Wendy explore a recurring theme that emerged during their research - a pattern of issues within law enforcement, allegations of misconduct, and the strained relationships between law enforcement and the families of victims.This episode addresses the numerous stories and allegations about shady practices within law enforcement agencies in the region. Shane and Wendy discuss specific instances where families felt their concerns were ignored or dismissed, and the impact this had on their pursuit of justice and closure.The hosts also investigate reports of families feeling targeted or marginalized for voicing their complaints or raising concerns about the handling of the cases. Through interviews with affected families, former law enforcement officers, and experts in criminal justice, "Beneath the Badge" sheds light on the comple

The fourteenth episode of "The Maps," brings a heart-wrenching yet pivotal development to the forefront. Hosts Shane and Wendy guide listeners through the emotional journey following the recovery of Cyndi Vanderheiden and Chevy Wheeler's remains in February 2012, a moment that promised an end to decades of uncertainty for their families.This episode delves into the intense process and the profound impact of unearthing Cyndi and Chevy. The hosts recount the meticulous excavation efforts, the painstaking identification process, and the overwhellming mix of emotions that their families were experiencing.However, the episode also explores the haunting question: Was this truly the end of their nightmare? Shane and Wendy discuss the aftermath of the discovery, from the emotional toll on the families to the broader implications for the community and the ongoing investigation. They delve into whether closure was truly achieved and how the families and community continued to grapple with the legacy of the

Episode thirteen of "The Maps," unfolds a pivotal chapter in the Speed Freak Killers saga. Hosts Shane and Wendy delve into the momentous development when convicted serial killer Wesley Shermantine, after years of silence, provided a detailed map revealing the burial locations of Cyndi Vanderheiden and Chevy Wheeler.This episode explores the dramatic turn of events leading up to Shermantine's unexpected cooperation. Shane and Wendy analyze the factors that may have influenced his decision to finally disclose the locations, shedding light on the psychological and investigative complexities at play.The episode captures the emotional turmoil and cautious hope of the victims' families, the meticulous efforts of the investigative team, and the challenges faced in recovering the remains based on Shermantine's map.Join us for this gripping episode at itsfoulplay.com, where the story of Cyndi and Chevy reaches a significant milestone, and the quest for truth and justice continues to uncover hidden

The twelfth episode of "The Maps," delves into the startling and controversial release of convicted serial killer Loren Herzog. Hosts Shane and Wendy guide listeners through the convoluted circumstances that led to Herzog being paroled on September 18th, 2010, after serving just 14 years of his sentence.This episode scrutinizes the legal and procedural aspects that facilitated Herzog's early release. The hosts dissect the intricacies of the justice system, including the appeals, the reduction of Herzog's sentence, and the public outcry that ensued. They explore the nuances of the law, the debates it sparked among legal experts, victims' families, and the community.Shane and Wendy also delve into the aftermath of Herzog's release, covering the shockwaves it sent through the communities still reeling from the horrors of the Speed Freak Killers. The episode examines the public and media reaction, the safety concerns it raised, and the impact on the families of the victims."A Killer Wa

The eleventh episode of "The Maps," takes a critical turn as hosts Shane and Wendy discuss the controversial topic of ethics violations within the Sheriff's Office. They are joined by the current Sheriff, Pat Withrow, to dissect the tumultuous tenures of former Sheriffs Baxter Dunn (1991-2005) and Steve Moore (2009-2019).The episode opens with an overview of the accusations of ethics violations that plagued the Sheriff's Office during the tenures of Dunn and Moore. Shane and Wendy guide listeners through the complex web of alleged misconduct, setting the stage for a deeper exploration of the impact these issues had on law enforcement operations and public trust.Sheriff Pat Withrow offers his unique perspective on the matter, shedding light on the challenges faced by the department and the steps taken to address and rectify these issues. The discussion delves into the broader implications of ethical violations in law enforcement, especially in the context of high-profile criminal cases like tha

In the tenth episode of "The Maps," hosts Shane and Wendy engage in a captivating dialogue with renowned investigator Paul Holes. This episode offers a unique opportunity for listeners to delve into Holes' extensive experience with serial killer investigations, particularly in San Joaquin, California, an area he became intimately familiar with during his pursuit of the Golden State Killer.The episode begins with Paul Holes sharing his insights into the characteristics and behaviors of serial killers, drawing on his extensive career in criminal investigation. Shane and Wendy explore with Holes the psychological and investigative complexities of tracking such criminals, with a special focus on how these insights apply to the Speed Freak Killers and similar cases.Listeners will be treated to an in-depth discussion about the specific challenges and breakthroughs of investigating in the San Joaquin area. Holes elaborates on the unique aspects of this region, how it has shaped and been impacted by the c

In the ninth episode of "The Maps," chronicles the intense and complex murder trial of Loren Herzog, the other half of the infamous Speed Freak Killers. Hosts Shane and Wendy guide listeners through the intricate proceedings that began with jury selection on July 31, 2001, in Santa Clara County, a location chosen due to the widespread notoriety of the case and concerns about ensuring a fair trial.This episode details the course of Herzog's trial, from the challenges of jury selection in such a high-profile case to the presentation of evidence and witness testimonies. The hosts delve into the strategies employed by the prosecution and defense, underscoring the gravity of the charges against Herzog: three counts of murder for Cyndi Vanderheiden, Paul Cavanaugh, and Howard King, and an additional charge for being an accessory to the murder of Henry Howell.Listeners will be taken on a journey through the two weeks of deliberations that culminated in the jury's decision, a tense and defining moment

In the eighth episode of "The Maps," hosts Shane and Wendy take listeners inside the high-profile trial of Wesley Shermantine, which commenced on November 22, 2000, in Santa Clara County. This episode focuses on the gripping courtroom drama surrounding one of the Speed Freak Killers.Shermantine stood accused of four heinous murders: those of Howard King, Paul Cavanaugh, Chevy Wheeler, and Cyndi Vanderheiden. The episode lays out the charges against him, detailing the evidence presented and the strategies employed by both the prosecution and defense. Shane and Wendy guide listeners through the critical moments of the trial, highlighting the testimonies that had the courtroom on edge and the emotional impact on the families of the victims.Listeners will get an insight into the legal complexities of such a high-profile murder trial, including the challenges faced by the prosecution in presenting a case years after the crimes were committed. The episode also delves into the defense's approach to repre

"Unmasking the Truth: Interrogations Unraveled," the seventh episode of "The Maps," continues the riveting journey with the professional Behavior Detection Analyst, as hosts Shane and Wendy delve deeper into the intricate world of police interrogation involving the Speed Freak Killers.This episode picks up from where the previous left off, focusing on the second part of Loren Herzog's interview from February 1st, 1999. The hosts and the analyst meticulously dissect the nuances of Herzog's behavior and responses, revealing the subtle shifts and tactics as the interrogation progresses.The narrative then shifts to Herzog's later arrest and interrogation in March 1999, a critical moment in the investigation. This section offers listeners an insight into how Herzog's demeanor and strategies evolved, and how law enforcement adapted their techniques in response.Additionally, the episode explores Wesley Shermantine's interrogation from March 1999. Shane, Wendy, and the Behavior Det

In the sixth episode of "The Maps," titled "The Interrogation Tapes: Decoding Herzog," hosts Shane and Wendy offer listeners a unique and psychologically intriguing experience. They delve into the police interrogations of Loren Herzog, one of the notorious Speed Freak Killers, with the assistance of a professional Behavior Detection Analyst.The episode centers around two critical dates: November 20th, 1998, and February 1st, 1999. These are the days when Herzog underwent his first police interrogations, moments filled with tension, revelation, and psychological maneuvering. Shane and Wendy, along with the Behavior Detection Analyst, break down these interrogations, offering listeners an in-depth look at how Herzog responded under pressure, the tactics used by the police, and the subtle cues that reveal more than words alone.Listeners will be guided through the complex dance of interrogation – the questions posed, Herzog's responses, his body language, and the underlying psychological tacti