Out Of The Shadows

Episode 32 - "Sister Cathy: The Mystery of the Evidence Box" revisits a captivating lead in the Sister Cathy Cesnik investigation that took us on an unexpected journey of discovery. In this special release, co-hosts Shane and Gemma retrace their steps following a lead spurred by the release of "The Keepers," which led them to 'Kelly the Box Girl' and a potential trove of hidden evidence.The episode is a repackaging of two pivotal but archived episodes from February 2018, made readily accessible for new and returning listeners alike. The original broadcasts document Shane and Gemma's intense search for a box – rumored to contain key evidence that could shed light on Sister Cathy's disappearance.The suspenseful quest throws them into a labyrinth of strange occurrences and tantalizing clues that promise to be a turning point in the case. Listeners are in for an intriguing account, narrated with the gripping detail and thoughtful consideration that "Foul Play: Crime Series"

In this episode, we turn the spotlight on a significant legislative development in the fight against child sexual abuse. This groundbreaking episode delves into the details of House Bill 687 — The Hidden Predator Act of 2019 — and its potential to change the legal landscape for survivors of child sex abuse in Maryland.Listeners will be taken to the heart of Annapolis, Maryland, as Shane and Gemma share an impassioned and powerful speech by House Delegate CT Wilson, a staunch advocate of the bill and a survivor himself. His advocacy is not just political; it's deeply personal. Those who have watched "The Keepers" will recall Wilson's testimony and his challenges in forwarding legislation against the opposition of the Archdiocese.The episode dissects the implications of the bill, which aims to abolish Maryland’s statute of limitations for civil claims against child sex abusers. Significantly, it proposes a two-year look-back window, allowing for the revival of claims previously barred by the sta

In this episode, co-hosts Shane and Gemma delve into the macabre revelations unearthed at Holy Cross cemetery—a site that turned from sacred to profane by the deeds of Father Joseph Maskell. Listeners will be drawn into the grim narrative of the cemetery dig, a pivotal moment when the buried secrets of Maskell's past were literally dug up.The episode discusses how, guided by the accounts of survivors, authorities excavated areas of the cemetery to uncover evidence that Maskell may have disposed of incriminating materials, including boxes filled with pornography and psychological tests, beneath the guise of hallowed ground.Shane and Gemma explore what the discovery of these items means for the case and how it impacts the already disturbing profile of Maskell. They provide detailed accounts of the dig, the significance of the items found, and what it suggests about Maskell's manipulation and exploitation of his victims.The duo also examines the broader implications of these findings, considering what ot

This episode continues to trace the chilling timeline surrounding Sister Cathy Cesnik's disappearance, now focusing on the critical period when Father Joseph Maskell was extracted from Archbishop Keough High School amid rising abuse allegations. Co-hosts Shane and Gemma guide listeners through the murky waters of the aftermath, where whispers of corruption and cover-ups begin to find their voice.We scrutinize the actions taken by the authorities and the church during this tumultuous time, seeking answers to how these events may connect to Sister Cathy's story and the ripple effects they had on the community and potential witnesses. As the narrative unfolds, Shane and Gemma engage with the complex interplay of power, silence, and the relentless search for truth.They dissect the ramifications of Maskell's removal, discussing how this move may have influenced the experiences of those who sought to bring their stories to light and its subsequent impact on the investigation into Sister Cathy's fate

In this episode, co-hosts Shane and Gemma meticulously construct the timeline of events preceding the baffling disappearance of Sister Cathy Cesnik. Piecing together a chronology that has perplexed investigators for decades, we embark on a journey through time, tracing Sister Cathy's last known movements and the enigmatic days leading up to her vanishing.Shane and Gemma sift through the sequence of events with forensic precision, examining the subtleties and possible connections between Sister Cathy's daily routine and the dark undercurrents that may have led to her fate. By delving into the details of those pivotal days, we aim to shine a light on overlooked moments and potential leads that could edge us closer to the truth.This episode not only lays the groundwork for understanding the complex case but also invites listeners to consider the context of the era, the potential suspects, and the systemic challenges that may have hindered the initial investigation. It's a deep dive into the past, set

In the wake of Father Joseph Maskell's alleged crimes, the scars run deep and wide, affecting not just the direct victims but entire communities. Episode 27 of "Foul Play: Crime Series," titled "Sister Cathy, Echoes of Maskell: Voices from Maryland," brings a profound and personal touch to the series as Shane travels to Maryland for an in-person recording with two women entwined in the narrative, Teresa and Donna.This episode takes listeners beyond the headlines and into the heartache, exploring the extensive 'collateral damage' of Maskell's abuse. Teresa and Donna share their experiences and insights, discussing how the repercussions of such abuse extend far beyond the initial impact, resonating through the lives of family, friends, and the wider community.As Shane sits down with them in Maryland, the home state where these events unfolded, the conversation turns to a reflection on healing, advocacy, and the struggle for justice. The trio engages in a candid discussion on the

Fifty years have elapsed since the tragic murder of Sister Cathy Cesnik, and yet, her killer remains elusive, shrouded in the mist of unresolved history. "Foul Play: Crime Series" presents Episode 25, "Sister Cathy: Decades of Questions," an episode dedicated to addressing the collective inquisitiveness of a community that has followed this case with bated breath.In this episode, co-hosts Gemma Hoskins and Shane Waters open the floor to the audience, responding directly to the flood of listener-submitted questions. Each inquiry sheds light on different facets of the enduring mystery, from the latest updates in the investigation to the broader implications for the victims and their families.Gemma and Shane lend their insight, gained from years of meticulous research and engagement with the case, to provide answers, clarify facts, and ponder the theories that continue to circulate. This open Q&A session not only offers a reflective pause in the ongoing narrative but also serves as an intimat

The mystery deepens in Episode 24. Following the intricate and revealing testimony of Lil Hughes Knipp, we continue to peel back the layers of secrecy that once shrouded Archbishop Keough High School and the unsettling role of Father Joseph Maskell. This episode delves further into Lil's time as Maskell's secretary, dissecting the troubling intricacies she witnessed behind the school's doors.In this concluding segment, Lil speaks candidly about the oppressive atmosphere cultivated by Maskell and the ways in which she believes this atmosphere allowed for misconduct to thrive unchecked. We analyze the gravity of her position — privy to confidential information, yet ensnared in the unnerving balance of power that Maskell wielded over students and faculty alike.Our listeners will gain insight into the dynamics of control and fear that permeated the halls of Keough, juxtaposed with the prevailing social attitudes of the late '60s. Lil's reflections not only contribute to the understanding of Ma

In the twenty-third episode of "Foul Play: Crime Series," we open the file on a little-discussed facet of the Sister Cathy Cesnik story: "Sister Cathy, Behind Closed Doors: The Secretary's Story, Part 1." This episode introduces Lil Hughes Knipp, a former student who stepped into the role of Father Joseph Maskell's confidential secretary around the time of Sister Cathy's disappearance.We delve into her unique perspective and the clandestine details she observed within the walls of Archbishop Keough High School. We correct previously aired information regarding Lil's family, noting she is one of seven siblings, not eight, and her father's presence during the Christmas season.As we unravel Lil's narrative, she sheds light on the dynamics within the school, highlighting Father Maskell's intimidating influence over the nuns and his presumptuous claim to authority. This power position, as she recalls, granted him unprecedented access to sensitive student files and inform

In this episode, we continue to unravel the sinister web of secrecy surrounding Father Joseph Maskell. Following the previous episode's interview with Sean Caine of the Archdiocese of Baltimore, we now turn our focus to the heart of the controversy: the timeline of abuse allegations against Maskell.Contrary to the Archdiocese's official records that cite the 1990s as the period when accusations first surfaced, new evidence suggests a history of reports that were seemingly dismissed or lost. This episode presents the testimony of another individual, whose account challenges the official narrative. They claim their report of Maskell's abuse led to his removal from Archbishop Keough High School, which stands in stark contrast to Caine's assertion that no such documentation exists.Our exploration will dissect the circumstances of Maskell's transfer and what it tells us about the response to abuse allegations at the time. We piece together the movements of Father Maskell against the backdrop of

Continuing from the compelling revelations of our last episode, "Foul Play: Crime Series" returns with "Sister Cathy, The Archdiocese Speaks, Part 2." This episode resumes the groundbreaking conversation with the Vice-Chancellor of the Archdiocese of Baltimore, delving further into their stance and knowledge about the Sister Cathy Cesnik case.Our dialogue with one of the Catholic Church's most guarded institutions is an attempt to understand the intricacies involved and the church's role following Sister Cathy's disappearance and subsequent murder. In this conclusion to our intense exchange, we press on with questions that have lingered for decades, seeking clarity on the church's actions and inactions during the critical times following the crime.We understand the sensitivity of the subject and the potential impact on those affected by similar stories; thus, our discussion is conducted with the utmost respect and thoughtfulness, with the hope of fostering a greater understandi

In this pivotal twentieth episode, the team embarks on a path few have treaded – securing a sit-down with a high-ranking official from the Archdiocese of Baltimore. This two-part interview with the Vice-Chancellor represents a monumental step forward in our ongoing quest to shed light on the events surrounding the tragic and mysterious death of Sister Cathy Cesnik.With a sensitive and sobering reminder to survivors of clergy abuse, this episode ventures into discussions that may unearth painful truths and trigger distressing memories. Our approach remains cautious, yet unflinching, as we navigate the complex and often dark corridors of this historical case.As a journalist, my commitment to maintaining a respectful discourse does not undermine the resolve to ask hard-hitting questions. This dialogue with the Archdiocese is about persistence, respect, and the relentless pursuit of the truth. Listeners are invited to join us in this rare encounter as we dissect the church's narrative, confront the silence th

The saga continues in the shadowy tale of Sister Cathy Cesnik's unsolved case in the latest episode of Foul Play: Crime Series. Titled "Sister Cathy, Bombshell: Man in the Trench Coat, Part 2," this episode delves deeper into the personal accounts and chilling revelations that add layers of complexity to an already twisted narrative.Our co-hosts, Gemma Hoskins and Shane Waters, build upon the intense investigation that the Netflix documentary "The Keepers" initiated, unwrapping the mystery through a conversation that is as revealing as it is riveting. In this continuation of our intense exploration, Sharon Bush takes center stage, recounting the events surrounding the night of Sister Cathy's disappearance. Her close connection to the case, through her friendship with Sister Russell, unveils a personal perspective that is both harrowing and enlightening.Sharon's narrative starts on the eve of a disturbing discovery, unfolding her encounter with an anxious Sister Russell and a forthr

In this gripping new episode of Foul Play: Crime Series, we pick up the trail of a mystery that has haunted listeners and true crime enthusiasts alike. Episode 18, titled "Sister Cathy, Bombshell: Man in the Trench Coat," is the latest installment in our ongoing season that reexamines the chilling case of Sister Cathy Cesnik's unsolved murder, featured in the Netflix documentary series "The Keepers."As co-host Gemma Hoskins dives deeper into the secrets of this case, we uncover startling new insights that beg the question – what if the smallest detail holds the key to solving the entire case? As cold cases age, their secrets often grow colder with them. But the flame of truth is hard to extinguish, especially when a new witness steps forward.In this episode, Gemma Hoskins and Shane Waters analyze a witness account that could shake the very foundations of what we thought we knew about the days leading up to Sister Cathy's disappearance. A first-hand sighting of a man in a trench coat ma

In the second installment of our profound discussion on Sister Cathy Cesnik's unresolved case, we reconvene with the key figures who have illuminated this mystery to the world. As our exploration deepens, director Ryan White and survivor Jean Wehner provide unparalleled insights into the aftermath and the personal costs of exposing the truth.Ryan White delves into the unexpected outcomes following "The Keepers'" release, reflecting on the documentary’s catalytic effect on public awareness and its contribution to the broader conversation about institutional accountability. His experiences and observations reveal the ongoing challenges in seeking clarity and closure for all involved, further underscoring the documentary's resonant impact.Jean Wehner continues to share her powerful narrative, mapping out her path from the silent suffering as Jane Doe to becoming a pivotal force in the pursuit of justice. Her presence and insights offer an intimate look into the enduring strength required to c

In the first part of this compelling two-episode feature, "Sister Cathy: Unmasking Darkness with Jane Doe and The Keepers' Director," we welcome two pivotal figures who have played a crucial role in bringing the chilling story of Sister Cathy Cesnik's murder to the public eye.Ryan White, the director of the critically acclaimed Netflix documentary series "The Keepers," joins us to peel back the layers on the creation and impact of the series. With a director's precision and a storyteller's grace, White takes us behind the scenes, sharing the challenges and triumphs of documenting one of the most harrowing and enigmatic true crime stories of our time.Beside him is Jean Wehner, a woman of extraordinary courage whose testimony as Jane Doe became the cornerstone of the case against Father Joseph Maskell and the Archdiocese of Baltimore. Jean’s narrative is more than a survivor's tale; it's a beacon for truth and justice in the face of staggering adversity.Together, Shane Wa

Welcome to Episode 15 of our series: "Sister Cathy: Reflections from the Podcasters." In this interlude from the investigative journey, hosts Shane Waters and Gemma Hoskins take a moment to reflect on the path that has led them to uncover the intricate web of secrets and silence surrounding Sister Cathy's unsolved murder.This episode provides listeners with an inside look at the behind-the-scenes process of podcasting an intricate true crime story. Shane and Gemma share their experiences, challenges, and the weight of responsibility they feel in giving a voice to the silenced. They’ll delve into the impact that "The Keepers" documentary has had on the case and their personal lives, as well as on public perception.Expect an honest and candid discussion, a prelude to the next milestone in their journey—conversations with key figures from the Netflix docuseries. Mark your calendars for January 8th, when the series resumes with an impactful interview featuring Jean Wehner, the woman behind the

This episode pays homage to the crucial role teachers play in their students' lives. Teachers are often on the front lines of their students' well-being, serving as educators, protectors, and sometimes, the only line of defense against undisclosed traumas. Sister Cathy was such a teacher—a beacon of hope and guidance for many of her students.This episode doesn't just reflect on Sister Cathy's legacy as an educator; it sends a powerful message to all those in the teaching profession: Your role is critical, and the attention you pay to your students' lives could make all the difference. The sentiment "you never know" is a poignant reminder that vigilance can uncover hidden truths and possibly prevent tragedies.As part of our continuous series on Sister Cathy, we explore the intersection where education meets advocacy, where teaching meets safeguarding. We honor Sister Cathy's memory by recognizing the quiet yet powerful impact teachers can have, often in ways they "never know

In the thirteenth installment of our investigation into Sister Cathy's life and untimely death, we sit down with a former student of Sister Cathy and Sister Russell. But her connection with these women extends far beyond the confines of the classroom; they were mentors, shaping her worldview, and in time, became friends who offered glimpses into their lives outside their teaching vocations.This episode, "Sister Cathy: Beyond the Blackboard," bridges personal memories with historical context, as our guest reflects on the personal character and daily lives of these two influential educators. With Gemma Hoskins's insight and Shane Waters's probing inquiry, we explore the human side of Sister Cathy and Sister Russell, drawing a more intimate portrait of their passions, concerns, and the era they lived in—an era marked by social change and, tragically, by Sister Cathy's mysterious death.Through a series of reflective conversations, we aim to present a richer, multifaceted view of Sister Cat

In this episode of "Sister Cathy," Dr. Lee Richmond takes us through the enigmatic tale of Father Joseph Maskell, a character mired in complexity and contradiction. As a former professor of education at Loyola University Maryland, Dr. Richmond brings to the table her profound insights into the psyche of this man who was both a religious leader and a manipulative predator.The conversation delves into Dr. Richmond's personal recollections of Maskell, providing a contrasting image of the persona he presented to the world—a learned and seemingly compassionate counselor, against the backdrop of the heinous acts he is alleged to have committed. This juxtaposition of "Good Joe" with "Bad Joe" paints a vivid picture of the duality that Maskell embodied and the confounding aura that he cast around those who thought they knew him.As Gemma Hoskins and Shane Waters navigate this discussion with Dr. Richmond, listeners will be invited to reflect on the alarming potential for evil to reside behi