For those longing to connect theology and mission, we are talking about God and everything else. Broadcasting from NORTHERN SEMINARY, in partnership with Missio Alliance, David Fitch and Geoff Holsclaw bring their experiences as pastors and professors to bear on issues of mission and church.Pull up a chair or take them and their guests with you around town.


  • S6: E2 Critical Theory  Tim Keller: Part 2

    S6: E2 Critical Theory & Tim Keller: Part 2

    21/09/2020 Duración: 39min

    In this episode, Fitch and Moore explore critical theory and what is has to offer the church. The conversation follows Fitch's response to Tim Keller's article on biblical justice and covers an expanse of topics: race, sexuality, ideology, identity politics and more. Here is Fitch's recent article: Here is the previous article: Tim Keller's article:

  • S6: E1 Foundations: Tim Keller  Justice: Part 1

    S6: E1 Foundations: Tim Keller & Justice: Part 1

    31/08/2020 Duración: 28min

    Dave wrote an article at Christianity Today that responded to Tim Keller's recent piece on justice. In this podcast, Fitch and Moore explore how "justice" is up for grabs post-Christendom. They agree with Keller's assessment of the culture, but diverge when it comes to the issue of foundations and posture. (audio volume gets a little funky on Mike's mic during the podcast) Read the pieces below:

  • S5: E21 Top 5 Fundy Backlashes (As Seen in Progressive Evangelicals)

    S5: E21 Top 5 Fundy Backlashes (As Seen in Progressive Evangelicals)

    03/08/2020 Duración: 34min

    Fitch and Moore look at the fundamentalism of evangelicalism in North America and how it has led to the backlash of progressive evangelicalism. They explore the backlashes to purity culture, penal substitutionary atonement, the inerrancy of Scripture, making a decision for Christ, and more. (One note: there is some reverb in Fitch's microphone)

  • S5: E20 White Male Speaking

    S5: E20 White Male Speaking

    27/07/2020 Duración: 25min

    This podcast starts pretty meta: two white men speaking about white men speaking. How should white men position themselves in leading the church? Fitch and Moore suggest the practice of silence, listening, and going to where you are invited, before speaking.

  • S5: E19 The Parsing of Racism

    S5: E19 The Parsing of Racism

    22/06/2020 Duración: 36min

    UPDATED: Greg Armstrong joins again to examine the evolution and ideology of the word "racist." The word "racist" has changed from meaning prejudice to including the unconscious systems of white supremacy. Now, drawing from the work of John McWhorter's, we see the third wave that equates the word "racist" equated with subjective feelings. What does this mean for the church as we try to unwind the antagonisms rife in this cultural moment? Here is McWhorter's article:

  • S5: E18 A Theology of Protest

    S5: E18 A Theology of Protest

    15/06/2020 Duración: 36min

    How do we make sense of the protests and riots that have erupted after the murder of George Floyd. Greg Armstrong, Director of Admissions at Northern and pastor of Renew Church (Lombard, IL) joins Mike and Dave as they discuss the church's response to and participation in public demonstrations.

  • S5 E17: What Difference Does Soteriology Make?

    S5 E17: What Difference Does Soteriology Make?

    12/05/2020 Duración: 37min

    Over the last month, a little theological scuffle has emerged regarding what the "gospel" means. Reformed pastor, Greg Gilbert, criticized Scot Mcknight and Matthew Bates formulations of a "kingship gospel." You can see the articles and conversation below in the links. Here is where Theology on Mission jumps in. What are the social implications of how we define the gospel? How does our atonement influence our posture and practice in the world? Essentially, what difference does the gospel make? Fitch and Moore give a quick review of this theological conversation and explore how our soteriology integrates with the social reality of the church. Greg Gilbert's Sermon: Scot McKnight's Response: Matthew Bate's Response:

  • S5 E16: Video Killed the Embodied Church

    S5 E16: Video Killed the Embodied Church

    20/04/2020 Duración: 34min

    Is video killing the church? This week we invite Geoff Holsclaw on the podcast to discuss church growth in the era of video church. Should we be concerned about falling into attractional modes of worship with the increase of online Sunday worship? Holsclaw critiques missiologists who 1) see this as a church growth moment 2) who see this as setting the church back decades. Rather, he proposes this moment will reveal the church for what it is. These articles provide the backdrop to our conversation. Carey Nieuwhof: Michael Frost:

  • S5: E15 Suffering During the Pandemic

    S5: E15 Suffering During the Pandemic

    30/03/2020 Duración: 37min

    "I'm more apt to catch a bullet than the coronavirus" That is a sentiment Mike has heard repeatedly in his church. What can we learn from populations in America that have lived under constant threats of "coronaviruses" of imminent death? Pastor Joe Mitchell joins Mike and Fitch to discuss how to suffer well during this time. Drawing from eschatology and critiques of the religious marketplace they raise questions for our cultural moment.

  • S5: E14 Faithful Presence During the Pandemic

    S5: E14 Faithful Presence During the Pandemic

    18/03/2020 Duración: 33min

    These are unprecedented times and an uncertain future for the global church. How is the church to respond with restrictions on gatherings, mass anxiety, and an uncertain future? Fitch and Moore draw from their distinct contexts and discuss this somber moment. They give instructions for how small gatherings can take place in homes Check out Fitch's article on this issue: One such idea is a letter to share with neighbors. Here is a sample if you would like to use: Hey neighbors It’s ________ from (address). In light of COVID-19 many of us will have to stay home in isolation and  we want you to have our phone number. If you run out of supplies or need someone to pick up groceries and drop them off at your door we are happy to help out as much as we can. If there is anything else please don’t hesitate to reach out. Sincerely

  • S5: E13 Depression. The Challenge of Ministry.

    S5: E13 Depression. The Challenge of Ministry.

    04/03/2020 Duración: 41min

    Studies suggest that around 70-80% of pastors experience depression. For many in the ministry, depression is inevitable. The question isn't, "Will I become depressed?" The question is, "Who will I journey through depression with?" Fitch and Moore discuss their own experience through depression and the key postures and practices for persevering in ministry.

  • S5: E12 Are You Lonely? Angry? Lost?

    S5: E12 Are You Lonely? Angry? Lost?

    24/02/2020 Duración: 30min

    When you gather around the table as the church how should we talk and listen to each other? Fitch proposes three questions to ask around any table fellowship: Are you lonely? Are you angry? Are you lost? Fitch and Moore talk about the need to be embodied around a table on a regular basis amidst a hurried and isolated culture.

  • S5: E11 To Volunteer or Not?

    S5: E11 To Volunteer or Not?

    30/01/2020 Duración: 28min

    We are back for 2020! Fitch and Moore discuss volunteerism and how it encourages and discourages mission for the church. How does volunteering in the community actually hinder the work of the church? And how do we pastor our churches that default to a volunteer mentality? Here are four tips for moving the church from volunteerism: 1) Seek and follow the apostles 2) More than a project this is a social space to participate in 3) This is a space of God's presence that requires prayer 4) This is a rhythm of our lives

  • S5: E10 Non-Violent Atonement with J. Denny Weaver

    S5: E10 Non-Violent Atonement with J. Denny Weaver

    06/01/2020 Duración: 33min

    Mike's college professor, J. Denny Weaver joins the show to talk about his work on atonement and the crucifixion. Almost 20 years ago Weaver's book, "The Nonviolent Atonement," was published and contributed significantly to Anabaptist interpretations of atonement.

  • S5: E9 Divine Violence  The Warrior God: Greg Boyd  Claude Marriottini

    S5: E9 Divine Violence & The Warrior God: Greg Boyd & Claude Marriottini

    18/12/2019 Duración: 37min

    Buckle up friends, we have a special episode for you this week. Two Northern professors, Greg Boyd and Claude Mariottini debate how to interpret the violence in the Old Testament. Fitch guides the conversation through a few Old Testament passages as Boyd and Mariottini discuss how to make sense of violent portrayals of God in the Old Testament in light of Jesus' crucifixion.

  • S5: E8 Universal Salvation: w/Geoff Hosclaw

    S5: E8 Universal Salvation: w/Geoff Hosclaw

    04/12/2019 Duración: 32min

    This week we welcome back the co-founder of Theology on Mission, Geoff Holsclaw! Geoff recently wrote a response to David Bentley Hart's book on universal salvation. After bantering for a good five minutes Fitch, Moore, and Holsclaw talk about the challenges and hopes of Christian universalism. Geoff Holsclaw is a professor of theology at Northern Seminary and a co-pastor with his wife Cyd at Vineyard Church in Grand Rapids, Michigan. Geoff and Cyd's forthcoming book "Does God Really Like Me?" is available now for pre-order. They also have a podcast you should check out, "God With Us." A few of the books that are referenced here: That All Shall Be Saved by David Bentley Hart Dare We Hope That All Men Be Saved by Hans Von Balthasar The Evangelical Universalist by Gregory MacDonald

  • S5: E7 The Shape of Liturgy

    S5: E7 The Shape of Liturgy

    26/11/2019 Duración: 29min

    Evangelicals have discovered liturgy and non-denominational kids are becoming sacramental adults! What are we to make of this liturgical turn? Fitch and Mike look at the trends of evangelicals on the "canterbury trail," and offer some considerations for those who have discovered a new love for liturgy. Here are four considerations: 1) Keep it accessible 2) Keep the bible central 3) Keep it cultural engaged 4) Keep pace and order Want to read more about liturgy? May we suggest: -Evangelicals on the Canterbury Trail by Robert Webber -Reaching out Without Dumbing Down by Marva Dawn -Liturgical Theology by Simon Chan -The Eucharist: Sacrament of the Kingdom by Alexander Schmemann

  • S5: E6 The Third Way of the Church w/Gary Sittser

    S5: E6 The "Third Way" of the Church w/Gary Sittser

    19/11/2019 Duración: 33min

    The early church distinguished itself from the Roman and Jewish religions by adopting a "third way." Fitch and Moore sit down with historian Jerry Sittser to talk about what we can learn from the ancient church about evangelism, identity, and worship. Jerry Sittser is the author of the recent book, "Resilient Faith: How the Early Christian "Third Way" Changed the World." He is a professor of theology at Whitworth University in Spokane, Washington, where he also serves as senior fellow and researcher in the Office of Church Engagement.

  • S5: E5 The Evangelism Pendulum

    S5: E5 The Evangelism Pendulum

    11/11/2019 Duración: 30min

    Fifty years ago gospel tracts, four spiritual laws, and street witnessing were pillars of evangelism for the evangelical church. Recently, the pendulum has swung the other way to the point where some Christians are reticent to evangelize, or, just don't know how! Drawing on Luke 10 Fitch and Moore discuss how evangelism takes the shape of proclamation rather than coercion. A few of the books they reference (but can't always remember!): Live to Tell by Brad Kallenberg Evangelism after Pluralism by Bryan Stone The Master Plan of Evangelism by Robert Coleman

  • S5: E4 When Theologians Fail Morally

    S5: E4 When Theologians Fail Morally

    23/10/2019 Duración: 27min

    What should be done with the theology of theologians who have failed morally? John Howard Yoder, Dr. King, Paul Tillich, Karl Barth, etc. Dave and Mike outline the common responses and try to construct a way forward. By mainly focusing on the case of John Howard Yoder they propose a nuanced response that includes critical reading, intertextual evaluation, and dialogue between the church and the academy. A lot of sources were quoted in this podcast. You will need to Google search the keywords below. Ruth Krall, "The Elephants in God’s Living Room: The Mennonite Church and John Howard Yoder" Rachel Gooseen, “Defanging the Beast”: Mennonite Responses to John Howard Yoder’s Sexual Abuse Karen Guth, "Doing Justice to the Complex Legacy of John Howard Yoder" Stanely Hauerwas, "Minding the Web: Making Theological Connections" Steven Long, "Augustinian and Ecclesial Christian Ethics: On Loving Enemies"

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